In powerpoint main screen, choose "Mirror Show" rather than "Presenter View"
this works no matter what the display settings are
Keynote
In keynote, display setting must be set to have mirroring turned on
This is done in Finder using the monitor icon at the top of the screen
Otherwise mac screen will show "presenter view" which is not what you want if presentation is being recorded
If you do want presenter view, go to Preferences and be sure that it is set to present on secondary display, otherwise the audience will see the presenter view